We purchase 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they star presenting code 368 red failure, causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling, this was reporter to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very stick preventive maintenance schedule for all our unit according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacture problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motor have a history of this very same problem which related but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
Blue Bird All American stalling problems
10 of the 52 owner complaints about the Blue Bird All American describe engine stalls while driving, most of them for the 2004 model year.
- owner complaints
- 10
- worst model year
- 2004
By model year
- 20048
- 20031
- 20011
Often reported together
What owners say
We purchase 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they started presenting code 368 red failure, causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling, this was reporter to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very stick preventive maintenance schedule for all our unit according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacture problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motor have a history of this very same problem which related but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
We purchase 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they star presenting code 368 red failure, causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling, this was reporter to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very stick preventive maintenance schedule for all our unit according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacture problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motor have a history of this very same problem which related but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
We purchase 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they star presenting code 368 red failure, causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling, this was reporter to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very stick preventive maintenance schedule for all our unit according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacture problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motor have a history of this very same problem which related but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
We purchases 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they start presenting code 368 red failure , causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling. This was reported to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 fuel injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very strict preventive maintenance schedule for all our units according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacturer problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motors have a history of this very same problem which related to the lift pump failure ,there are several recalls out for this problem but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
We purchased 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they start presenting code 368 red failure , causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling , this was reported to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 fuel injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very strict preventive maintenance schedule for all our units according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacturers problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motors have a history of this very same problem which related to the lift pump failure ,there are several recalls out for this problem but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
We purchases 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they start presenting code 368 red failure , causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling , this was reported to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 fuel injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very strict preventive maintenance schedule for all our units according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacturers problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motors have a history of this very same problem which related to the lift pump failure ,there are several recalls out for this problem but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
We purchases 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer, within a month of receiving the 10 unit they start presenting code 368 red failure , causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling , this was reported to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 fuel injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very strict preventive maintenance schedule for all our units according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a maufacturer's problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motors have a history of this very same problem which related to the lift pump failure ,there are several recalls out for this problem but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
We purchases 10 new blue bird all american school buses through our local authorized dealer,within a month of receiving the 10 unit they start presenting code 368 red failure , causing loss of power, white smoke and stalling, this was reported to the distributor and they replaced fuel filters and suggested that there was humidity in the ECM. This same code failure has overcome all of our unit in the last past 3 years to the extent that now we are faced with the replacement of the vp44 fuel injection pump a very costly investment for unit that have extremely low mileage (average of 35,000 kms). We have followed a very strict preventive maintenance schedule for all our units according to the manuals supplied thus after suspecting that there could be a manufacturer problem we started investigating over the internet and effectively we found that the cummins 225 isb motors have a history of this very same problem which related to the lift pump failure ,there are several recalls out for this problem but there are non yet that cover our unit, so we consider it import that along with any others of the same malfunctioning units we can have a recall considered.
Dt: the caller received recall on cummins isb engine that involved engine stalling and fuel supply to the engine. But could not get the work done. This could result in loss of power. The recalls involved fuel pump and fuel pressure switch replacement. The caller had a total of 6 recalls, and first took one of the busses to the frieghtliner dealership, and they repaired one, but instructed the contact not to bring anymore back. Also, the contact contacted cummins, who referred him to the peterbuilt dealer, but they advised the caller that they won't do the work because cummins was not paying for the repairs. They stated that cummins was only paying for 3 hours of labor and it took about 8 hours of labor to repair the problem. The contact had one bus at an authorized cummins dealer in another city, and they didn't know when they will be able to repair it, and won't be able to repair anymore. Owner is concerned they won't be repaired and will have to be used even though they were recalled. There were six buses, and the contact did not wish to file a complaint on each individual vehicle.
Related recalls
Engine and engine cooling: engine
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2009-2016 All American rear engine non school buses manufactured December 7, 2008, to May 11, 2015, and equipped with certain Cummins Westport ISL G engines. Excessive engine crankcase pressures may cause the 90-degree elbow of the vent tube assembly to detach from the crankcase ventilation breather, possibly allowing engine oil to come into contact with hot surfaces.
- Risk
- If engine oil comes into contact with a hot surface, there is an increased risk of a fire.
- Remedy
- Cummins will notify owners on behalf of Blue Bird, and Cummins service centers will administer the repairs which include securing the ends of the 90-degree elbow and reprogramming the electronic control module (ECM) with software that can adjust the engine output under misfire conditions to limit crankcase pressures. These repairs will be performed free of charge. The recall began on June 12, 2015. Owners may contact Blue Bird customer service at 1‑478‑822‑2242 or Cummins Inc. at 1‑800‑343‑7357. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R15YE-NSB.
Recall number 15V294000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling: engine
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2009-2016 All American rear engine school buses manufactured December 7, 2008, to May 11, 2015, and equipped with certain Cummins Westport ISL G engines. Excessive engine crankcase pressures may cause the 90-degree elbow of the vent tube assembly to detach from the crankcase ventilation breather, possibly allowing engine oil to come into contact with hot surfaces.
- Risk
- If engine oil comes into contact with a hot surface, there is an increased risk of a fire.
- Remedy
- Cummins will notify owners on behalf of Blue Bird, and Cummins service centers will administer the repairs which include securing the ends of the 90-degree elbow and reprogramming the electronic control module (ECM) with software that can adjust the engine output under misfire conditions to limit crankcase pressures. These repairs will be performed free of charge. The recall began on June 12, 2015. Owners may contact Blue Bird customer service at 1‑478‑822‑2242 or Cummins Inc. at 1‑800‑343‑7357. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R15YE-SB.
Recall number 15V293000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling: exhaust system
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2011-2016 All American rear engine transit buses manufactured June 5, 2010, to January 13, 2015. In the affected transit buses, the exhaust system hangers may fail, possibly causing damage to the Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) and the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) housings.
- Risk
- If all the exhaust hangers were to fail, the housings may fall onto the roadway, creating a road hazard and increasing the risk of a crash.
- Remedy
- Blue Bird will notify owners, and dealers will install new bolted hanger assemblies and support cables, free of charge. The recall began on March 5, 2015. Owners may contact Blue Bird customer service at 1‑478‑822‑2242. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R15YB-NSB.
Recall number 15V060000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling: exhaust system
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2011-2016 All American rear engine school buses manufactured June 5, 2010, to January 13, 2015. In the affected school buses, the exhaust system hangers may fail, possibly causing damage to the Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) and the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) housings.
- Risk
- If all the exhaust hangers were to fail, the housings may fall onto the roadway, creating a road hazard and increasing the risk of a crash.
- Remedy
- Blue Bird will notify owners, and dealers will install new bolted hanger assemblies and support cables, free of charge. The recall began on March 6, 2015. Owners may contact Blue Bird customer service at 1‑478‑822‑2242. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R15YB-SB.
Recall number 15V059000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling: cooling system: hoses/lines/piping/fittings
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2008-2013 All American rear engine non-school buses manufactured May 9, 2007, to November 12, 2012. Due to the design of the thermostat, a heater hose may rupture which could result in hot coolant entering the passenger compartment.
- Risk
- Hot coolant leaking into the passenger compartment increases the risk of injury to the passengers.
- Remedy
- Blue Bird will notify owners, and dealers will replace the thermostat and change the passenger compartment heater supply hose, free of charge. The recall began on July 15, 2014. Owners may contact Blue Bird customer service at 1‑478‑822‑2242. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R14XF.
Recall number 14V314000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling: cooling system
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2008-2013 All American rear engine school buses manufactured April 3, 2007, to December 15, 2012. Due to the design of the thermostat, a heater hose may rupture which could result in hot coolant entering the passenger compartment.
- Risk
- Hot coolant leaking into the passenger compartment increases the risk of injury to the passengers.
- Remedy
- Blue Bird will notify owners, and dealers will replace the thermostat and change the passenger compartment heater supply hose, free of charge. The recall began on July 15, 2014. Owners may contact Blue Bird customer service at 1‑478‑822‑2242. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R14XF.
Recall number 14V313000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling: engine
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2009-2015 All American rear engine non-school buses manufactured from June 23, 2010, through May 24, 2012, and equipped with certain Cummins Westport Model ISL G compressed natural gas engines. Condensation in the intake manifold may freeze during cold weather conditions and interfere with the proper operation of the intake manifold pressure sensor.
- Risk
- The improper operation of the sensor could induce elevated exhaust temperatures or flames from the exhaust pipe, increasing the risk of a vehicle fire or burn injury to a person near the exhaust pipe.
- Remedy
- Cummins and Cummins Westport has notified owners, and authorized Cummins service facilities will upload a new ECM calibration, free of charge. The recall began on April 12, 2014. Customers may contact Blue Bird at 1‑478‑822‑2242 or Cummins Inc. at 1‑800‑343‑7357. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R14XB.
Recall number 14V215000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling: engine
- What is wrong
- Blue Bird Body Company (Blue Bird) is recalling certain model year 2009-2015 All American rear engine school buses manufactured from December 8, 2008, through November 15, 2013, and equipped with certain Cummins Westport Model ISL G engines. Condensation in the intake manifold may freeze during cold weather conditions and interfere with the proper operation of the intake manifold pressure sensor.
- Risk
- The improper operation of the sensor could induce elevated exhaust temperatures or flames from the exhaust pipe, increasing the risk of a vehicle fire or burn injury to a person near the exhaust pipe.
- Remedy
- Cummins and Cummins Westport will notify owners, and authorized Cummins service facilities will upload a new ECM calibration, free of charge. The recall began on April 12, 2014. Customers may contact Blue Bird at 1‑478‑822‑2242 or Cummins Inc. at 1‑800‑343‑7357. Blue Bird's number for this recall is R14XB.
Recall number 14V083000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling
- What is wrong
- Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2011 and 2012 all american non-school buses manufactured from november 2, 2010, through march 17, 2011, and vision conventional non-november 2, 2010, through march 17, 2011, equipped with a cummins diesel engine. The v-band clamp assembly, part numbers q187684, q187685, and q187686, used to connect the inlet and outlet cone sections to the diesel oxidation catalyst (doc)/diesel particulate filter (dpf) include a t-bolt which can fracture and fail when subjected to stress or load. A fracture or failure of the t-bolt may cause the clamp to loosen and the inlet or outlet sections attached to the doc/dpf housing to disconnect.
- Risk
- If the inlet or outlet sections disconnect, hot exhaust gases can vent prior to exiting the tailpipe, creating the risk of combustion and a fire. If both clamps fail, there is a risk in some applications that the doc/dpf housing may detach completely, creating a road hazard.
- Remedy
- Blue bird is working with cummins to identify and notify owners of the recall campaign. Repairs will be performed by authorized cummins dealers free of charge. The safety recall began on october 10, 2011. Owners may contact cummins at 1‑812‑377‑5000 or blue bird at 1‑478‑822‑2242.
Recall number 11V424000 · Recall details
Engine and engine cooling
- What is wrong
- Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2011 and 2012 all american school buses manufactured from october 13, 2010, through march 8, 2011, and vision school buses manufactured from october 2, 2010, through february 2, 2011, equipped with a cummins diesel engine. The v-band clamp assembly, part numbers q187684, q187685, and q187686, used to connect the inlet and outlet cone sections to the diesel oxidation catalyst (doc)/diesel particulate filter (dpf) include a t-bolt which can fracture and fail when subjected to stress or load. A fracture or failure of the t-bolt may cause the clamp to loosen and the inlet or outlet sections attached to the doc/dpf housing to disconnect.
- Risk
- If the inlet or outlet sections disconnect, hot exhaust gases can vent prior to exiting the tailpipe, creating the risk of combustion and a fire. If both clamps fail, there is a risk in some applications that the doc/dpf housing may detach completely, creating a road hazard.
- Remedy
- Blue bird is working with cummins to identify and notify owners of the recall campaign. Repairs will be performed by authorized cummins dealers free of charge. The safety recall began on october 10, 2011. Owners may contact cummins at 1‑812‑377‑5000 or blue bird at 1‑478‑822‑2242.
Recall number 11V423000 · Recall details
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