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2005 Ic Ce problems

The most common problem on the 2005 Ic Ce is body and structure. Its complaint count is close to a typical Ce model year.

Typical yearClose to a typical year
Owner complaints
5
Recalls
15
Service bulletins
3
Worst area
Body

The worst 2005 Ic Ce problems

Ranked by number of owner complaints. Mileage and cost come from what owners wrote.

  • Body
    2
  • Brakes
    1
  • Engine
    1

Problems by type

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    1
  • Engine
    1

Recalls 15

Equipment adaptive/mobilityReported November 19, 2015 · 271 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Kingmor Supply, Inc. (Kingmor) is recalling certain model year 2005-2017 IC CE school buses manufactured September 1, 2005, to May 1, 2017, and modified to be equipped with certain model S2005, S2010, S5005, S5010, S5505, and S5510 wheelchair lifts built by the Ricon Corporation. The affected lifts are equipped with folding link arms that may have pivot holes that are too big, allowing the bearings to move out of position.
Risk
If the bearings move out of position, the stowed platform may have excessive movement resulting in failure of the platform mounting. This failure could cause the wheel chair lift platform to fall out of the vehicle when the doors are opened, increasing the risk of injury for the lift operator.
Remedy
Kingmor will notify owners, and Ricon dealers will inspect the link arms for damage or for displaced bearings. The platform will be inspected for cracks. Any damaged parts will be replaced, free of charge. The recall began on December 18, 2015. Owners may contact Kingmor customer service at 1‑800‑782‑4474, or Ricon Customer Service at 1‑800‑322‑2884. Note: These buses and wheelchair lifts were subject to a similar recall in 2014. All vehicles that received that recall remedy are still affected by this recall as well.

Recall number 15V772000 · Recall details

Vehicle speed controlReported June 15, 2010 · 2,085 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Navistar is recalling certain model year 2003 through 2010 international trucks and ic commercial buses manufactured from december 4, 2001 through december 14, 2009 equipped with international vt365 engines having engine calibration pan2pvr0, pan2pvr1, or pan2pwr. The engine normally responds to a failed open accelerator position sensor circuit fault by returning the engine to low idle speed of 800 RPM and disabling the driver's ability to increase the engine speed. However if the open circuit corrects itself within 30 seconds of initiation, engine speed could suddenly increase to a high idle speed of 1200 RPM.
Risk
This increase to high idle speed may occur without warning causing a sudden and unexpected shift in vehicle position possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death.
Remedy
Navistar will notify owners and dealers will repair the vehicles free of charge. The safety recall began on july 1, 2010. Owners may contact navistar at 1‑800‑448‑7825.

Recall number 10V267000 · Recall details

Service brakes, hydraulicReported March 16, 2010 · 5,016 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Navistar has notified the federal safety agency about a defect in certain model year 2010 and 2011 ic ce, be, and fe school buses manufactured from november 19, 2003 through february 9, 2010. The parking brake may release if the brake system electronic control unit software misinterprets input signals generated from cycling the ignition switch more than once at a specific frequency.
Risk
Release of the parking brake may cause sudden, unexpected shift in vehicle position possibly resulting in property damage, personal damage, or death.
Remedy
Navistar will notify owners and will repair the buses by reprogramming the vehicle's brake system ecu free of charge. The safety recall began on april 2, 2010. Owners may contact navistar at 1‑260‑461‑1890.

Recall number 10V103000 · Recall details

Equipment: electricalReported February 10, 2009 · 61,316 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Navistar is recalling 61,316 my 2001 through 2009 ic be, ce, and fe model commercial and school buses manufactured between february 2, 2000 and june 2, 2008, equipped with an entrance door stepwell heater feature code 0048pms or 0548001 and/or a rear wall mounted heater feature code 0048tar or 0048psx. The affected heater units may fail in low speed operation causing elevated temperatures.
Risk
Elevated temperatures can result in a fire, possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death.
Remedy
An interim letter was mailed on february 20, 2009, to communicate the defect and recommend action to mitigate the risk until the final remedy and customer notification could be provided at a later date. The manufacture filed an amended defect report dated march 27, 2009 advising that a final remedy has been developed and parts are being manufactured. The safety recall began on june 2, 2009. Owners may contact navistar toll-free at 1‑800‑448‑7825.

Recall number 09V052000 · Recall details

Engine and engine coolingReported July 30, 2008 · 24,975 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Navistar is recalling 24,975 my 2003 through 2008 ic be, ce, hc, and re school and commercial buses and 2002 through 2008 international 3200 and 3300 model buses manufactured between september 21, 2001 through december 14, 2007, equipped with international vt365 engines. These vehicles may exhibit engine hard start, no start, or stall conditions due to possibly damaged terminals in the fuse holder connector of the injector drive module (idm) clean battery power circuits. The terminals may have been damaged during electrical continuity testing in the manufacturing process.
Risk
These conditions could result in a vehicle crash, possibly resulting in personal injury.
Remedy
Navistar will notify owners and replace the idm fuse holder free of charge. The recall began on october 3, 2008. Owners can contact navistar toll-free at 1‑800‑448‑7825.

Recall number 08V353000 · Recall details

Electrical systemReported June 5, 2008 · 51,588 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Navistar is recalling 51,588 heavy trucks, commercial buses and school buses manufactured between november 21, 2000 and may 21, 2008, equipped with one or more remote power modules. The potting material that encapsulates the circuit board of the vehicle's remote power module may not sufficiently seal the circuit board from water and contamination intrusion. If the encapsulation is compromised, water and contaminants may cause an internal electrical short, possibly resulting in a fire.
Risk
A fire could cause personal injury or death.
Remedy
Navistar will notify owners and repair the vehicles free of charge. The recall began on july 10, 2008. Owners may contact navistar at 1‑280‑461‑1890.

Recall number 08V258000 · Recall details

Parking brakeReported June 2, 2006 · 9,823 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Certain my 2004 through 2007 ce and be school buses and 1300 and 3300 model vehicle chassis manufactured by ic corporation between march 17, 2004, and may 15, 2006. The park brake system may activate while the vehicle is under normal operation. Although the vehicle is brought to a stop, the activation may occur without warning or input from the driver and may strand the vehicle in an active lane. The spring applied, hydraulic release (sahr) park brake actuator could experience a hydraulic lock condition that will not allow the park brake to apply.
Risk
Should the park brake activate and strand the vehicle, it may contribute to a vehicle crash, possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death. Should the park brake not apply, a vehicle roll away can occur and may result in a crash, possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death.
Remedy
Dealers will repair the buses free of charge. The recall began july 7, 2006. Owners may contact ic corporation at 800‑322‑2884 or owners may contact international at 1‑800‑448‑7825.

Recall number 06V189000 · Recall details

Structure: body: doorReported December 20, 2005 · 1,918 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Certain 2005-2007 ce and my 2007 be school and transit buses manufactured between february 10, 2004, and december 15, 2005. Passenger coat strings or carry on items can get caught between the door control bracket and the door control arm as the passenger exits the bus.
Risk
If the driver is unaware of the situation, the entrance door may be closed, capturing the item in the door. Death or injury could occur to the person exiting the bus.
Remedy
Ic will notify its owners and repair all the buses free of charge. The recall began march 2, 2006. Customers may contact international at 800‑448‑7825.

Recall number 05V561000 · Recall details

Child seat: latch strapReported March 30, 2005 · 1,142 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Certain 2004-2006 my ic corporation ce, fe, and re school buses manufactured from may 12, 2003, through march 2, 2005, equipped with child restraint anchorage systems. The diameter latch attachment bars exceed the diameter requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 225, child restraint anchorage systems, which may make it difficult to use with future car seat attachments. In addition, some of the latch attachments are located too far forward of the seat back.
Risk
Not attaching the child seat properly may result in personal injury or death in the event of a vehicle crash. Also, the inappropriate placement of the brackets may result in personal injury to a passenger not seated in a car seat.
Remedy
Ic corporation will notify its customers and (1) the brackets will be removed and replaced by a special belt system and (2) the seat frame will be replaced by a frame with a new seat attachment bracket. These repairs will be performed free of charge. The recall began on august 19, 2005. Owners may contact international at 260‑461‑1924.

Recall number 05V130000 · Recall details

Engine and engine coolingReported March 28, 2005 · 402 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Certain 2003-2006 my ic ce, fe, and re school buses and re commercial buses manufactured between february 4, 2003, and march 1, 2005, and equipped with webasto coolant heaters. The stainless steel walls of the burner tubes incorporated into webasto coolant heaters may be made of a material that is not within specification and may fail prematurely.
Risk
Should the burner tube fail, the coolant heater could overheat, possibly resulting in a fire.
Remedy
Ic will notify its owners and replace the burner tubes free of charge. The recall began on april 20, 2005. Owners may contact international at 260‑461‑1924.

Recall number 05V122000 · Recall details

Service brakes, hydraulic: pedals and linkagesReported February 7, 2005 · 920 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Certain ic ce 2005 school buses manufactured between april 27 and october 13, 2004. The locknut that secures the hydraulic brake pivot bolt may not be torqued properly.
Risk
The brake pedal may separate from the pivot bracket. This could prevent brake application.
Remedy
Ic corporation will notify its customers and will inspect the locknut, replace if necessary and torque properly free of charge. The recall began on april 1, 2005. Owners may contact ic at 1‑800‑448‑7825.

Recall number 05V041000 · Recall details

SeatsReported October 28, 2004 · 154 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Certain 1998, 2000-2005 my ce, fe, and re school buses built with one or more ce white 30-inch child restraint seats and manufactured between march 25, 1998 and august 24, 2004. The seat cushion retention may not retain the seat in all circumstances.
Risk
In the event of a sudden stop, the seat cushion may tip forward and may become unattached causing the passenger to slide off the seat and/or be trapped by the seat cushion. This action could possibly result in personal injury or death.
Remedy
Ic corp will notify its customers and will repair the cushion by adding a clip to the cushion tying it to the seat frame. The recall began on october 5, 2004. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact ic compliance department at 1‑800‑843‑5615.

Recall number 04V498000 · Recall details

Equipment adaptive/mobilityReported September 21, 2004 · 1,220 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Certain my 2001-2005 amtran/ic corporation ce, fe, and re school buses equipped with sure-lok wheelchair tie-down securement assemblies p/n 8625-13. The sprocket teeth of the retractor assembly may be out of alignment causing the load pawl not to fully seat in the sprocket teeth.
Risk
In the event of a vehicle crash, the wheelchair may not be adequately secured possibly resulting in injuries.
Remedy
Sure-lok will notify ic's customers and repair the buses on ic's behalf at no cost to the customer. The recall began august 16, 2004. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact sure-lok at 1‑908‑231‑1804.

Recall number 04V469000 · Recall details

Equipment: electrical: anti-theft devicesReported July 16, 2004 · 538 vehicles affected
What is wrong
On certain school buses built with vandale lock systems, the system does not provide an audio sound to warn the driver that the emergency door is locked while the vehicle is in operation.
Risk
If the emergency door is locked and the bus is involved in a crash or emergency situation, bus occupants may not be able to escape from the bus in a timely manner or even at all. This could possibly result in serious injury to the occupants.
Remedy
Ic will notify its customers and will repair the alarm by adding a wire to the current system free of charge. The recall began on august 23, 2004. Owners should contact ic at 1‑800‑843‑5615.

Recall number 04V359000 · Recall details

Structure: bodyReported September 23, 2003 · 66,749 vehicles affected
What is wrong
Ce model school buses which fail to comply to federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 221, school bus body joint strength. The roof top sheet may be improperly located, reducing the material edge distance at the rivet line.
Risk
In the event of a vehicle crash, the joint strenght could fail possibily resulting in injuries to the vehicle occupants.
Remedy
Ic will notify its customers and will provide inspection and repair instruction. The recall began on january 25, 2005. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact ic customer service at (we do not yet have a telephone number for this campaign.)

Recall number 03V354000 · Recall details

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Defect investigations

School bus stallingOpened May 9, 2008, closed August 28, 2008

This pe was opened after odi became aware of 7 events on school buses where the fuse for the ecmoverheated and burned the fuse holder and/or fuse holder terminals.once overheating of the fuse holder occurs, the fuse blades would no longerbe secured in the plastic holder, thus interrupting the electrical flow.the complaints centered aroundeither a no-start, hard start, erratic engine performance or engine stalling. Odi was also aware of reported battery box fires. Thepe was opened to examine the safety significance and gain a technical understanding of this problem.after discussions with odi and further review of field incidents, ic decided the proper way to handle this issue was to conduct a safety recall during which they willreplace the fuse holders and the power electrical connector on the affected vehicles.this recall action resolves the issues raised by this investigation. Therefore, this investigation is closed.

PE08034

Dash/interior fireOpened July 10, 2007, closed October 12, 2007

Based on the data provided by international and further review of the alleged fires, a safety related defect trend has not been identified at this time. A review of the warranty data provided no additional claims that describe step-well heater blower thermal events.no warranty claims indicate fires or additional property damage to the bus.similarly, a review of 64 applicable dealer reports found no reference to smoke, fire, or burned components.other than the three fire claims mentioned in this pe, international has not identifiedany other reports of fire relating to the alleged defect for the 23,000 subject buses.with regard to the three fires identified, international was only able to determine that the origin of the two elgin fleet fires occurred in the area of the step-well heater around the blower motor area.the origin of the st. Paul fire was not in the area of the step-well heater, rather,based on the burn patterns of this unit, the fire originated to the left of the step-well heater.international plans to continue to monitor field reports and warranty claims related to the step-well heater and the front electrical system. No field action of any kind is planned at this time.however international is continuing the investigation with regard to the elgin buses to try to understand the root cause of those two incidents.a safety related defect trendhas not been identified at this time and further use of agency resources is not currently warranted. The closing of this investigation does not constitute a finding by the federal safety agency that no safety-related defect exists. The agency will continue to monitor reports and take the appropriate action ifwarranted by the circumstances.

PE07034

Technical service bulletins for the 2005 Ic Ce 3

Bulletins tell dealers how to fix known problems. A warranty extension means the manufacturer pays for that repair for longer.

What 2005 Ic Ce owners say

Most recent owner complaints, unedited.

Filed Apr 1, 2014 · Body · 143,349 miles · NY

Floor sills cracked at body tie downs, tie downs hold body on to chassis frame.

Filed Apr 1, 2014 · Body · 114,475 miles · NY

Floor sills cracked at body tie downs, tie downs hold body to chassis frame.

Filed Jan 29, 2007 · Engine · 4,450 miles · MS

2005 international school bus ,4400 miles ,turbo failure, replaced turbo actuator, dealership said corrosion was the cause.

Filed Oct 12, 2005 · 3,000 miles · IN

1. When the outside temperature gets below 20 degrees 2. Stop arm malfunction on bus means putting children in danger 3. Buses will be put out of service.

Filed Aug 2, 2005 · Brakes · 2,962 miles · MA

12/21/04 emergency brake would not release. 12/30/04 bus towed to nutmeg international to be fixed 1/31/05 buss fixed/ replaced computer part in system returned to service 2/10/05 brake service light came on and then off/ called dattco inc. They told us to check fluids and look for fluid leaks. There were none light went off. 3/9/05 emergency brake would not release at park out. Brake eventually released 3/11/05 bus was sent to dattco inc. In ct for repair 5/5/05 bus returned to me. Dattco replaced full wiring harness in bus 6/10/05 emergency brake locked up while bus was on route with school children doing 30 MPH wit no warning. Luckily no one was hurt. My mechanic and myself managed to limp bus back to garage were we called dattco inc. 6/13/05 bus towed to dattco inc. In ct 7/5/05 bus returned to us. Dattco replaced more computer parts 7/29/05 emergency brake locked up doing between 25-30 MPH with students on board again with out any warning nearly avoiding a major collision as there are no brake lights that come on. Luckily again no one was hurt. 8/1/05 bus towed to dattco inc. In ct I think that all incidents are related and as you can see this is a very serious safety issue and I am hearing that this is not the only bus they are having issues with this new emergency brake system.

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Owners have filed 5 complaints about the 2005 Ic Ce, close to a typical Ce model year.

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Body and structure, with 2 complaints. Next is brakes (1).

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15 recalls, covering equipment adaptive/mobility, vehicle speed control and service brakes, hydraulic.

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